In Danger From the Outside World - Part III: Men As Predators

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I think it's amazing how much research you do and how well you outline the many angles of the story. This whole thing would make a great childrens story called The tiger, the boys and the zoo. The moral: repsect animals; this is what happens when zoos and people forget to.
sounds like something my brother would do.
Thank you. My thoughts were more in line with what makes a young man want to taunt a tiger? A young, drunk man, drivng a BMW no less? Who lied to the victim's parents when they phoned him and asked- "Do you know where Carlos is?"
You've mentioned him before. Has he ever babysat for Mia? I'm just joking, of course.)
ha ha! :D i literally laughed out loud when i read your comment. hehe.
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At first, I got confused because the research information; then , I understood! It's a really interesting story and it's kind out of my league, since we don't have this kind of news in Greece; heck, I don't even know if the zoo in Athens is still working! I know; shame on me! Yet, I am intrigued.

From this story, I can define four to five issues: 1. manipulation of information by lawyers. 2. animal rights. 3.public corruption. 4.safety measurements in public areas. 5. youth issues. And now, I am going to mix them up!

It's common ground in Greece to see people with no proper expertise taking over important and responsible places. Sometimes, public officials tend to undermine the significant importance of a professional position, basically due to their lack of knowledge and education. Therefore, they choose to put unsuitable people in these areas who only care about their personal profit.They wake up, go to work, sign a couple of papers, take the money and leave the office as fast as they can. Such an attitude can cause real damage and you have written a small example: 4 feet shorter! This phenomenon, I think, it's worldwide. I consider it a perfect result of good public relations or as we say it in Greece: by licking and crawling, you can reach the top! Personally, after the latest scandal, I replaced the word "crawling" to "su***** "!

Anyway, you still have predatory public officials who milk out all the funds and visitors who express their "manhood" through taunting animals. I always thought that zoos have security guards or other people who could take care these issues. Where were they when these kids "tantalized" our big cats? Are there any?

In the meantime, I can't get out of my head the parents of those youngsters and how they brought them up. Is it so difficult to teach your child some basic rules for life? Is it so difficult to teach your child how to be responsible and confident? With all the information of the world in their hands and they still use drugs and drive under influence. It's confusing, isn't it?

And then, you have animal rights. What is worse? Put the animals in a cage, away from their natural environment or leave them free in areas where in the future pollution will destroy? Could we consider zoos as contemporary Arks? Could we view zoos as means of preservation or it is too provocative?

All this discussion reminds me of a documentary I watched earlier regarding the freak shows of the early 20th century and the tendency to revive them. As researchers supported in the show, these exhibitions disappeared due to television and its offerings and not because the protection of the rights of disabled people became stronger and stricter.

Maybe, I got you all confused, but I felt that I had to share with you what this post made me think and why not broaden the ongoing conversation.

Thank you for your patience.




What a sad display of poor judgment on the part of the young men. I'm glad no one else got hurt.

Yes true, but really in the end, I think this: my mom trained me to respect animals so I didn't feel the need to go to a zoo and taunt them, drunk high or not. I went to the zoo to learn and understand and to be thankful for the animals that were there. The Toronto metro Zoo is one reason I have a degree in Biology. Secondly, I think this, as Ilisak pointed out: Beurocracy has a way of getting people into positions they shouldn't be in. These people, they *are* the zoo when they go to work there. If they chose not to be they are not respecting the animals that live there. This whole story is much larger than a drunken, stoned, testosterone driven gaggle of boys taunting a tiger. It is about people existing in cities and not experiencing the wild. It is about children who are not taught to appreciate and respect animals, predatory beasts or otherwise, it is about zoos becoming businesses and 'forgetting' about the real reason they exist (kinda like Universities). It is about public officials putting, unqualified people in the position of caring for these wonderful animals. It is about a breakdown in economic resources... an overall entropy. I hate to sound so negative, but the boy, the circumstances, the result, it paints a very broad picture... perhaps I'm just getting confusing as well.

Your research is remarkable on this!!! It is sad that the man who ran the zoo was not qualified, sad that those boys had no respect for the animals or people around them, sad that someone died, and sad that animals are being held captive for entertainment- and not being properly cared for. This is a really messed up situation all the way around.
Thank you for such a remarkable post!!!

Micehlee,

I honestly applaud you. I thought I had considered this story from all angles. (all the angles that Illias so carefully pointed out.) But you are right that there are those of us who don't understand animals and what wildlife is all about and that exacerbates this problem. A zoo is supposed to be an educational centre, but clearly this zoo manager has missed that point. Gosh- you've brought an incident to mind. My husband was raised on a ranch. They farmed rice,they had cattle and chickens and even pheasants. He knew so much about animals and other things. On the other hand, I had been raised in the city. I could easily tell you which line of the NY subway is the safest, which goes through the 'bad' neighbourhoods, etc., but I knew nothing about wildlife until I married my husband and lived out where there are deer, bobcats, etc. We aall adapt to our environment and feel like we're in charge of it. I felt safe and secure in NY because I knew the 'ins-and-outs,' but when I moved out here, I remember I went up into the woods at the back of the lot to cut weeds. I was wearing shorts. I had ticks sticking me by the time I came back down. Never even thought of a tick!

So, in your opinon, then, who has the most culpability in this situation? Ad who was the victim?Or was there more than one?

The zoo in Athens was up and running six years ago when I lived there, if you mean the one in Zappion. We took Nick when he was a little boy. I was disappointed because it was not runlike the zoos in New York and in fact, the Sf Zoo reminds me of it a bit. Still - I am not criticising - Greece has done a brilliant job with the Sea Turtle Rescue Centre in Glyfada and the Butterfly Mating habitat on Rhodes...SF Zoo needs work and I think after this incident, it will be more carefully monitered. At least, I hope so.

Well, I deliberately tried to leave my personal opinon off of this (as much as I could) because I wanted to see how others would view this situation. But your opinion closely mirrors mine. And I have a question for you: You said this -

"In the meantime, I can't get out of my head the parents of those youngsters and how they brought them up. Is it so difficult to teach your child some basic rules for life?"

The 'newish' BMW being driven by the two brothers struck a chord in me. That and the fact that both sets of parents are immigrants and these boys are first-generation Americans. Do you think it's a case of the immigrant mentality- 'I want my chidlren to have more than I had?' Do you think thier parents were so busy working for the American dream that they never realised they were turning their sons into spoiled, irresponsible fools? We can't know from this limited information we have about them , I just wondered what you think.

BTW- You should really stop apologising for being so eloquent - everyone enjoys reading what you think.

Yes, it was indeed lucky that no one else was injured.But, she(the tiger) was just sitting next to one of the mauled men, she was off attack mode when the police came in and shot her. The consensus of many is that she felt threatened and very out of her element when she attacked.
Thak you so much. yes, it's as ad situation. I tell you, I learned so much while rsearching this. I even found out that just recently a man at the same zoo was throwing acorns at a giant rhino and some other visitors reported him this time. He was immediately arrested. It was a lesson hard learned, but it does seemed it was learned.
Throwing acorns at a giant rhino- What in the world is wrong with people- that is so stupid and mean! We have a lovely zoo in Asheboro,N.C. I do go with my sisters, when they take their children- we have never seen anyone behaving this way down at this zoo.
I think it's because there are a lack of attendents. And Michelly-Shell is right. There is also a lack of eduation about animals. You'd think in this day of conservationism people would have more understanding.How nice that you go to the zoo with your sisters. I enjoy zoos and other habitats on so many levels but seeing some of the animals look so uncomfortable in their confinement makes me a bit sad.

First of all, I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoy reading your posts. This reads like the research John Grishim would do for one of his novels.

I can't beleive anyone would be stupid enough to taunt a magnificant animal like this especially given the stress these animals go through being in captivity. I have a hard time feeling sorry for this 17 y/o boy. He asked for it and he got it. It's a tragic story but if you;re going to put yourself out there and taunt a tiger, for God's sake, be ready to lose the fight!

Ok, and the zoo management... It sounds like they need to be heavily investigated and shit down until new management can straighten things out. This is such a shame.

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Stupid kids acting like stupid (intoxicated, peer-induced, animal-ignorant, testosterone fueled) kids.

Wild Tiger behaving like a wild (predatory HUGE) tiger.

They should not have been able to be in contact with each other.

I am afraid the humans are most to blame. You can't blame a tiger for being a tiger.

I am sorry for the boys, sorry in the way I would have been sorry if they had been in a car crash killing 1, injuring the others when they were driving too fast / intoxicated but with no warning signs at a dangerous junction & the car breaks failing due to poor maintenance at the garage.

Education for everyone is so important.

The worst part about this is the boy who died was not doing the taunting. He was a follower. He was,according to other news reports, impressed with his two friends and being the younger he did what they did. The oldest- the 24-year-old for godssakes- was doing the taunting. The oldest was attacked and the youngest,who was killed, tried to distract the tiger to get the tiger off his friend. What did he get for his troubles? The brothers did not tell anyone what they'd done (they lied about taunting the tiger) or even inform the deceased boy's parents they were together until the NEXT day. The boy's parents were calling all his friends, looking for him, wondering why he wasn't home for Xmas dinner. They even rang the mobile phone of one of the brothers who said he wasn't with them.

And thank you very much for the compliment. It means a great deal.

You described the situation very well. And I do compare this incident with the accident in the last part of this "In Danger" post, with my stepson, in that they both were caused by youth, ignorance and peer-induced situations as you very accurately describe, as well as adults not taking responsibility (in my stepson's case, the school and the alumni, in this case, the zoo) but I can't help but feel these boys were not victims of that, more like perpetrators. One was generated by foolishness, the other generated by cruelty. Now, of course,that might be how I see it because the first accident involved someone I know. I just can't imagine any kid I know, even most of my former students, getting a jolt of manhood by taunting a caged animal.

I have been out of the vox reading loop so read this before I read about your step-son when I used the car-crash example. Sorry if it was tasteless.

I think some of this says a lot about how difficult it can be, especially for young men, to say "no, dumb idea" especially in the face of peer-taunts and the desire to belong, to be seen as OK, Cool, one of the gang.

You see it in adults too: the pressure to conform, to not rock the boat, to do as the others do.

I have no kids, but a younger brother (by 15 months) taught me a world about how a nice bloke can do some absolutely f-king stupid things for no apparently good reason ~ like driving at 70mph up a hill with blind corners after 8-9 beers at 11pm? The alcohol was legal (UK law) but the driving wasn't :P I love him, but I didn't always like him, or the choices he made. I don't see him as tauntnig a tiger though: that would have been outside his scope as he loved animals and was furious to tears at cruelty. He once shot a raven though. He cried all night. He was 7. Maybe it taught him something though.

Add in any of the other factors then the catalogue of dumb things a young man will do out of boredom, peer-approval, intoxication, testosterone, stupidity, ignorance or thoughtlessness and to display his conjones in the face of danger or parental disaproval is too long.

I didn't take the car crash reference that way at all. No worries. I know exactly what you're saying. And I know many young men just like your brother with good hearts, but somehow they don't put their brains in gear sometimes. It is definitely age-related and has something to do with the brain development of the frontal lobes which isn't complete until age twenty five. It's hard for people under that age to understand or recognise danger This one though, seemed different. There was an element of cruelty to it that I just can't stop thinking about. It reminds me so much of bullying. And I can't help thinking about that beautiful creature being shot. The newspapers here had a photograph of the tiger's dead body. It was awful. She was punished just for being a tiger. On the other hand, a young man, who might have turned out to be a decent sort of fellow in the end, is dead. That the other two boys had the presence of mind to lie after the attack and say they weren't doing anything, to get a lawyer( a rather notorious one, too- he defended Scott Peterson if you're aware of that case here in San Francisco- he murdered his nine-months-pregnant wife and dumped her body in the bay) to claim that he would sue the zoo for defamation of character and to not tell the parents of the dead boy that their son's body was lying in morgue (after the boy had supposedly sacrificed himself to save one of them) does not bode well for their character, I believe. They got away with this and they will end up changing the story as time goes by, making themselves into some sort of heroes, I bet.

It's true that I haven't seen you commenting around VOX for a while.I hope you're well. I've been out of the loop, too. I'm just starting to catch up with everyone...

Ok. Now THIS is sad. How awful not to man up and tell the parents that they were with him. I just can't understand this kind of behavior. It's a strange world we live in. There just so much dark in it.
They were just two spoiled kids (notice the car they were driving?) who thought of themselves first. I can think of friends I had like that when I was in high school They were so important to me, I didn't want to think that they might be using me. One of my sons had friends like that,too. Most of us learn eventually, even if it's the hard way, who is really a friend and who isn't. Unfortunately, for this boy, he never got that chance.
Yes, that may be part of it- but you'd think people today would have more education about animals.
The zoo in Asheboro, has very large habitats- built for the animals, catered, to their own natural environments- they are really nice. The animals have lots of room to roam, and it's a nice place to go.
We had two zoos like that in New York- The Bronx Zoo and the Central Park Zoo. Even so, the polar bear at one of the zoos was 'depressed, ' exhibiting repetitive behaviours and I remember the gorillas didn't like it when people would stare at them, either. I think they understand they're are captive. I don't know what's better- seeing these beautiful animals go extinct or keeping them caged up. I donlt know what the answer is. I think you're absolutely right we should know a lot more about their bahaviours and characterisitics. It's as though those boys thought they were tormenting a house cat or something. I know I would have reported it immediately had I seen them doing it.
You used the magic phrase: "The American Dream"! Isn't it what every immigrant is looking for in the US? Work hard, provide to the family, buy a condo and a big car and then send their children to college and help them get away from the misery they experienced.

Yet, isn't this what every immigrant is looking for in every country in the world? I could use a Greek example too. As you already know, in Greece, we have a large Albanian community. In the early 90s, the Greek government opened the state's borders and facilitated every necessary procedure. After almost 20 years, officially 1 million Albanians live in our country. Most of them are hard workers and according to recent research they are the most frequent bank depositors, while they send money back to their families in Albania. Towards their children, they try to provide all the things they missed during their childhood. Yet, living in a prosperous country, where terms like "lifestyle", "wealth", "expensive" and "exclusive" are every day talk, hits them sometimes hard, because they can't keep up and there are violent incidents due to their occasional sense of inferiority. For me, though, it doesn't matter from where they come from.

My family left Greece for the US and the road had many bumps. That's why I feel sympathy for all the people who leave their homes behind. It's not bad to want for your children to have more than you, but as a parent you have to teach them that all this didn't come without hard work. Usually, immigrant parents give to their young ones more than they can handle without a sweat.

Maybe it's all going down to some basic parenting rules. What is more important? Items or love? Cars, credit cards, cell phones, designer clothes, computers or attention, listening and discussions? Why it has become so difficult to combine them both in a benevolent fashion?

You know what? I remember some years ago, I used to watch "Beverly Hills 90210". This show was huge in Greece and it has become ever since a major pop icon which has defined youth lifestyle. During that show, it was the first time, I heard the words "Porsche", "Stanford", "mansion", etc. In school, we used to pretend we were those characters and that game is still under our skin.
Anyway, I remember the main characters, Brandon and Brenda, who moved with their parents to BH from Minnesota and Brenda, especially, felt like an outcast; like an immigrant to her own country. So, maybe, the dream of welfare concerns everybody. To achieve it, though, it is sometimes an issue of location; the mentality stays the same, even if you leave NY for LA, or Athens for London: "I want my children to have more than I did," But, don't forget that this goal is tricky.
It comes down to responsibiity and accountability. It also comes down to allowing 'ghosts from your own nursery' to dictate how you raise your children. You don't wanto to discipline them "too" hard because you were disciplined too hard, for example. You don't wantthem to "do without," because you did without. But these are your children- not your clones. When parents,whether immigrant or not understand that a major part of being a good parent is not just providing falderols and an easy life, but to foster independence, a solid work ethic, a policy of honesty and treating others as you would want to be treated, and accountability for actions both bad and good, the world will be a better place.
Exactly! From my point of view, parents need an extra tool ; education.

Education doesn't come only through school and university. Your life experiences can give you-sometimes- a much better and profound education that will strengthen every effort you do as a parent.

There is a Greek saying: "Αμαρτίες γονέων, παιδεύουσι τέκνα." ; sins of parents tantalize children. It's unfair to transfer our burdens to our offsprings. Fostering all the values you mentioned is the basis to understand the meaning of rights. How can a child who never learned ethics respect animals? How can we respect freedom, if we never learned how to be free?
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Thanks. I liked your post on the writer, too.
Don't you see young men/boys like this everyday? I do, even here in Smallville. They live in a world alien to me, where being an obnoxious thug is being strong. Add alcohol and drugs and it's a toxic attitude. They're untouchable, knowing most people will be intimidated by their lack of respect and willingness to be confrontational. Unfortunately for this boy, tigers don't know that. I don't even know where to begin with the inept official aspect of this story.

How can we respect freedom, if we never learned how to be free?

You've written a lot of interesting things here today, but I simply have to ask- can you elaborate what you mean by this?It's intriguing.

"They're untouchable, knowing most people will be intimidated by their lack of respect and willingness to be confrontational. Unfortunately for this boy, tigers don't know that."

This is a brilliant quote in my opinion. There was that very disturbing aspect to it, too. The woman who reported the boys harrassing the big cats, did so after she learned that there had been a fatality. I don't want to criticise her, but if she had done it immediately, she could have perhaps prevented the tragedy. I am glad she came forward at all. But, still, why just walk away without reporting it? Certainly I can understand her fear to confront three drunk, stoned young men. But why not go to an official? What did she teach her children by allowing them to witness her letting those boys get away with that?

I remember once when I was nine months pregnant, I went to the market around the block from where I lived. Two young men were taunting a delivery boy of the market. He was mentally retarded and earned mere pennies delivering groceries with his bike. Well, those two boys had taken his bike and he was getting so upset, he coudn't even speak without stuttering and they were mocking his speech impediment, too. They were enjoying themselves so much. It was heart breaking. Beaner - I tell you - I absolutely lost it. Without even thinking about my pregnancy, I marched over to them and grabbed the bicycle back. And I told them off. One boy said, "Hey, lady- we don't want to fight with a pregnant woman." And I said, "Why not? If you'll taunt a innocent boy who can't defend himself, why not a pregannt woman?" Here's the worst part - people had been watching- grown men who owned the market and they said not one thing to these boys. But, then, they praised me for stepping in. I wanted to spit. I don't know what makes some people like this. I honestly know I would take a strap to my sons if I ever saw them doing something like this....Grrr.

It depends on how we define personal freedom. We can have in our hands all the goods of the world and still feel enslaved. We can live in the perfect environment and still feel locked up. Why? Because, as we grow older we understand what freedom stands for and it's certainly not the way we know.

Then, there is the fear towards the unknown which leads in, basically, two behaviors: embracing it and rejecting it. I will give you a parallel example: my friend's father never attended college and he believes that these 4 years are useless. He always tells us: what do you need college for? You can still make money without a degree. What he fails to understand is that our purpose is not the money, but the thirst for knowledge that gives us the drive to study. Sometimes, I think that he is afraid that people will consider him inferior without him having a degree. He is disrespectful towards our academic efforts, because he doesn't know what it takes to succeed in this field.

In terms of freedom now: imagine this ; you are a teenager living in California and your parents give you all the material things you need to not feel an outcast. They put you in a place where your choices are very limited. They don't teach you how to be independent and self-sufficient. So, as you grow older and you come to understand your "addictions", the truth strikes you. You were never free; you thought you were, just because you had more pocket money. You never learned how to be really free. You were defined by your parents' choices, because it was convenient. You had no hard choices to make. But, when you see the truth, you can't always control your reaction.

Since your social skills are not sharpened, you fill up with rage which is channeled towards other people and why not, animals. Because, if you see it from a different perspective, these kids didn't taunt these animals just for fun; they were taunting themselves.

I have developed this theory called "the golden cage" which is based on people living in Glyfada. They live in a micro-cosmos where there is no war, no poverty, no global warming, no responsibilities and no accountabilities; only shopping, tanning salons, cafeterias, clubbing and endless gossip, things provided with the blessing of the parents.

I can also give you a harder example: black slaves of past centuries. Did everyone manage to coop with the new free conditions? How a kid would feel if he/she was born as a slave and suddenly, he/she was free? Disoriented, maybe? I don't know, I am just making a question.
Wow. This is some deep,profound thinking. I'm sending this essay to my son. Thank you, Elia. You've given us parents a lot to mull over
Yes.. Definitely, I too would have reported it immediately. I don't know the answer either, but, I think more studies should be done, I don't want the animals to go extinct, but, there needs to be more thought and education put in on how best to save them.
It's funny , but I've been thinking about that a lot since this incident happened.
This writeup is one of the first I've read that seems genuinely impartial. You could have slanted it in any direction but it seems you did not, which I have to applaud. I want to try that sometime, it's far too easy to slam a point home when you're a good writer, it's an entirely different thing to show all points and expand your reader's mind.
I so appreciate you noticing that. I tried like heck to present it that way. It was easier said than done, because I do have an opinion about it. Once there was this very intelligent chap who responded to one of my more emotional blogs. He and I disagreed on the point vehemently. What I liked though was not once did he resort to name calling and he pointed out something about my post that stayed with me. He said it was emotionally-leading. While I don't think I'll ever be able to always write impartially, I thought his point had merit and I kept it in mind when I wrote this post. Especially because this event was discussed here by everyone(the zoo is just across the bridge from my home) and there were so many different perspectives on it. And every one of them had validity.They all made me think, "expanded my mind," as you say. I'm glad I accomplished that here, in your opinion, because that's what I was going for. Thanks for reading.

I'm skeptical, but based solely on your article, I hope the brothers are charged with the following crimes: 1. Underage drinking 2. Providing alcohol to a minor 3. Possession of illegal substance 4. DWI 5. Public endangerment 6. Animal abuse 7. Contributing to the death of another person 8. Drunk in public 9. Hindering a police investigation.

Instead, they will hire a lawyer, go on talk shows and become famous. Is that screwed up or what?

"Instead, they will hire a lawyer, go on talk shows and become famous. Is that screwed up or what?"

If that happens, it will be very depressing.

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Thank you very much. I wonder how you found it. It's so old....
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